The guide is very discouraging about this area. But I remember doing Technical Master in the 80's, I'm sure it was worthwhile. Any one know any more? Lucretia VS Lakeland Gem VS Whistling Rufus HVS (1pt)(1pt) Clown of Thorns E1 Technical Master E3 6a, 5c First pitch overgrown, difficult to access from below at present Wanda VSVS